A Public Message to Those Who Support Proposition 8!

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5 responses to “A Public Message to Those Who Support Proposition 8!

  1. Tell me, do you really believe that Prop 8 mattered under the law in California? Do you actually believe that gays lost any legal rights with its passing?

  2. Well the right to get married was rescinded, which an awful lot of people seem to think is very important. I know the debate then swings to whether or not you believe the state should be involved in marriage or not, but it is. The alternative some people suggest, that California offers ‘separate but equal’ is in my mind not a good enough argument when equality under the law is not on offer.

  3. Ahhh, bu California recognizes both hetero- and homosexual Domestic Partnerships, which as of 2007 grant all of the same rights and responsibilities as marriages under CA state law (see California Family Code §297.5)

    That IS “equality under the law.” It’s just not enough for the LGBT community. They seem to want legislated acceptance of their lifestyle.

    BTW: Part of the reason the CA Supreme Court ruled in favor of Prop 8 was the fact that no rights “under the law” were affected by the initiative.

    As for whether the state should be involved in marriage at all, I’m in the camp that believes that the secular state should limit itself to Civil Unions only. But you’re right, my beliefs in that matter are irrelevant.

  4. That IS “equality under the law.” It’s just not enough for the LGBT community. They seem to want legislated acceptance of their lifestyle.

    That doesn’t make any sense at all. You’re conflating with civil rights and human rights. Civil rights might be equally conveyed, but marriage is a human right. Proposition 8 removed the ability of gay people to access a human right equally to straight people – that’s not about demanding ‘legislated acceptance of their lifestyle’ if you think about it.

  5. How is “marriage” a right? Where is it ever stated in any Constitution – or even any UN document – that “marriage” is a right?

    Prop 8 removed the privilege of having same-sex union being called “marriages” by the State. It didn’t effect how the people referred to themselves, nor did it prohibit the undertaking of any ceremony to solemnize the unions.

    Now, marriage – under secular law – conveys certain rights and privileges, and if said rights and privileges were denied to gays, it would be vastly and horribly wrong, but that is not the case thanks to CA Family Code §297.5.

    297.5. (a) Registered domestic partners shall have the same rights,
    protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same
    responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
    derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules,
    government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources
    of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses.

    So it comes down to a word, not civil or human rights, and people’s beliefs concerning that word and what it means to them emotionally. That is why it is just an attempt to legislate acceptance if you’d think about it.

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